Comments on: The Paris Riots (and in Denmark too): Europe is Burning - Part I http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/ analyses and musings on global security issues - terrorism, energy, defense etc Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:20:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Carsten Agger http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-25 Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:11:24 +0000 http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-25 If you want to see the place in Aarhus, Denmark where the riots/unrest were, I've got a Flickr set with photos of my neighbourhood here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/modspil/sets/1358383/ If you just want to see the "mall" where shops had their windows broken, it's here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/modspil/63525340/ If you want to see the place in Aarhus, Denmark where the riots/unrest were, I’ve got a Flickr set with photos of my neighbourhood here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/modspil/sets/1358383/

If you just want to see the “mall” where shops had their windows broken, it’s here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/modspil/63525340/

]]> by: theslovak http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-18 Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:51:52 +0000 http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-18 Samual Huntington is dumb and possibly evil too. But mostly extremely dumb. As much as my graduate school confidence is low, he makes me believe I could too become a Harvard professor one day. Dumb dumb dumb. A better argued follow-up shall be forthcoming once digitized... Samual Huntington is dumb and possibly evil too. But mostly extremely dumb. As much as my graduate school confidence is low, he makes me believe I could too become a Harvard professor one day. Dumb dumb dumb. A better argued follow-up shall be forthcoming once digitized…

]]> by: Carsten Agger http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-16 Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:40:15 +0000 http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-16 One more thing: While it is true I'm a member of a political party with a lot of controversial views (such as slashing all poverty with a basic income reform) and my views on immigration and immigrants do not correspond to those of our country's right wing, my views on these topics would certainly not be considered "fringe" in, e.g, Britain or France. My view of the riots in Rosenhøj corresponds more or less to that of everybody here. One more thing: While it is true I’m a member of a political party with a lot of controversial views (such as slashing all poverty with a basic income reform) and my views on immigration and immigrants do not correspond to those of our country’s right wing, my views on these topics would certainly not be considered “fringe” in, e.g, Britain or France. My view of the riots in Rosenhøj corresponds more or less to that of everybody here.

]]> by: Carsten Agger http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-15 Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:26:33 +0000 http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-15 Fringe or not fringe, I live in the area and may still have some idea of what is going on. I promise you that these people (the rioters) are not religious. The "core guys" are criminals, thugs. The riots have no general support in the area and none from the more peaceful immigrants here. Thinking the motivation might be "jihadist" is pure conspiracy theory. Many of us residents have seen these things coming for years with the rise of burglary, theft, intimidation and general insecurity in the area. Fringe or not fringe, I live in the area and may still have some idea of what is going on.

I promise you that these people (the rioters) are not religious. The “core guys” are criminals, thugs.

The riots have no general support in the area and none from the more peaceful immigrants here. Thinking the motivation might be “jihadist” is pure conspiracy theory. Many of us residents have seen these things coming for years with the rise of burglary, theft, intimidation and general insecurity in the area.

]]> by: Henrik http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-10 Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:01:38 +0000 http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-10 Id like to caution you against taking everything Carsten Agger says at face value. He is a supporter of the fringe Minority Party, that has a notorious blind spot for any problem involving islam. This is part fundamentalist humanism (see no evil, hear no evil etc), part pandering to moslems for votes (thus the name of the party). His latest post is an advert for the party´s candidates in the upcoming local elections. That said, he IS right in pointing out that not all the rioters were moslems - the viking blog entry doesnt say so, either. It cites a story as saying that the majority of rioters was immigrants, and itself says that the riot was moslem-LED. Given that the spokesman for the rioters is moslem, and that the rioters´ view he expresses is that "We are tired of what we see happening with our prophet", this judgement would be borne out. Henrik Id like to caution you against taking everything Carsten Agger says at face value. He is a supporter of the fringe Minority Party, that has a notorious blind spot for any problem involving islam. This is part fundamentalist humanism (see no evil, hear no evil etc), part pandering to moslems for votes (thus the name of the party). His latest post is an advert for the party´s candidates in the upcoming local elections.

That said, he IS right in pointing out that not all the rioters were moslems - the viking blog entry doesnt say so, either. It cites a story as saying that the majority of rioters was immigrants, and itself says that the riot was moslem-LED. Given that the spokesman for the rioters is moslem, and that the rioters´ view he expresses is that “We are tired of what we see happening with our prophet”, this judgement would be borne out.

Henrik

]]> by: Carsten Agger http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-9 Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:47:24 +0000 http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-9 A few comments about the riots in Denmark - I am a resident of Rosenhøj. First of all, a linguistic observation: The "center" (as we call it here) in Rosenhøj is hardly a "mall" by any definition, but a longish, low building containing a small off. license, a pizza bar, a vegetable/fruit shop, a baker and a bingo hall. Nearby is a bar and a gas station. Secondly, the riots here (I speak as a resident of the very area you mention and I know well which youths are behind this) are hardly a question of "Muslims wanting to be in charge". It has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, Islamism or "jihadism", but a lot with social discontent. The perpetrators were actually a mix of youths from various backgrounds, most from immigrant (mainly Muslim) families, but also many Danes. None would, I guess, be considered "good Muslims" by any standards whatsoever. This is really a story more about exclusion, unemployment and poverty than anything else. And no, it wasn't motivated by cartoons either; even though some of the young ones may have mentioned the infamous cartoons as a lame excuse for arson, violence and wanton desctruction, it is more about general disenchantment. A few comments about the riots in Denmark - I am a resident of Rosenhøj.

First of all, a linguistic observation: The “center” (as we call it here) in Rosenhøj is hardly a “mall” by any definition, but a longish, low building containing a small off. license, a pizza bar, a vegetable/fruit shop, a baker and a bingo hall. Nearby is a bar and a gas station.

Secondly, the riots here (I speak as a resident of the very area you mention and I know well which youths are behind this) are hardly a question of “Muslims wanting to be in charge”. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, Islamism or “jihadism”, but a lot with social discontent.

The perpetrators were actually a mix of youths from various backgrounds, most from immigrant (mainly Muslim) families, but also many Danes. None would, I guess, be considered “good Muslims” by any standards whatsoever. This is really a story more about exclusion, unemployment and poverty than anything else.

And no, it wasn’t motivated by cartoons either; even though some of the young ones may have mentioned the infamous cartoons as a lame excuse for arson, violence and wanton desctruction, it is more about general disenchantment.

]]> by: pbswatcher http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-8 Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:00:25 +0000 http://strategyunit.blogsome.com/2005/11/01/the-paris-riots-and-in-denmark-too-europe-is-burning-part-i/#comment-8 Reading the Belmont Club post I was struck by the parallel mindset of those who can't or won't think about the Islamist threat and those who refuse to immunize their children. See <a href="http://pbswatch.blogspot.com/2005/11/vectors.html" rel="nofollow">Vectors</a> Reading the Belmont Club post I was struck by the parallel mindset of those who can’t or won’t think about the Islamist threat and those who refuse to immunize their children. See Vectors

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